Yeah.... I think it is easiest to dig with the floor out... I had borrowed a big long hoe-scoop-thing from work (we use it to scoop out the bottoms of the holes for the telephone poles), thinking that I could get way back under there with that and pull all of the dirt back, but it was very inefficient.... I am going to just dig out the whole underneath of the house to make a 1m crawlspace everywhere and line it with plastic sheeting, so I will have a decent space to work in when I start pulling wires and such under the house. And I'll have to fill in all of the holes in the foundation and the skirting to keep the animals from coming under and tearing it all up again......... Damn groundhogs, lol.